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Post by nums on Nov 14, 2024 1:26:56 GMT -5
Just wanted to say thankyou to the folks that put in the effort to get this started? Twitter seemed to work OK as an FA replacement for a lot of people. I couldn't spend time on there without feeling completely overwhelmed: that I was just chasing bigger numbers. Rewards felt hollow. I wasn't in a place where I needed to promote myself for commissions, and outside of that, I never found any really nourishing connection in there. Any real engagement happened in DM's or in IM elsewhere.
Something about the hyper-public nature of it always meant there was practically zero place for even the slightest bit of vulnerability. Worse still was like calculated faux-vulnerability seen in posts clearly meant to drive "engagement"? IDK man, that place made me feel fucking crazy for not following in my friends footsteps when they wandered over there, leaving FA behind.
But they all seemed fucking miserable there, too. Some friends became genuinely kinda addicted to its engagement before they'd all migrated over there, it really brought out versions of people that were pretty far afield of the folks I knew over FA, Google Talk, or even Tumblr.
Just kind of a rotten little shitpost dungeon where sincerity went to die. Most I could ever do on there was post a pic, log-out to try and avoid the dopamine drip of checking for notifs, and hoping some of my friends saw the art if the algorithm let it surface.
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This was pretty negative, and it's just reflective of my own experience & perspective on Twitter. I know some people who truly did have a different perspective with it, even if I couldn't share it. I miss forums! I miss the FA comments section! It's been hard to talk to people again after Twitter has been the norm for so long.
So thanks again for setting the forums up. I wonder if we're so far past that point where we still even have the social muscle memory to talk in spaces like this, but its nice to see people try.
TLDR Twitter felt like eating a box of saltines for dinner and I don't miss it.
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Post by yote on Nov 14, 2024 1:49:07 GMT -5
Gosh this puts into words exactly how I’ve felt about Twitter/instagram/social medias like that for a looooooong time. I don’t have much to add to what you’ve already said here, other than I’m hoping a more old school forum based mode of conversation like this helps to boost community and a better form of engagement. I’m sure many feel the same too! I think so, seeing how many people have joined here in just a day. :3
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Post by Valyce Negative on Nov 14, 2024 4:08:00 GMT -5
I'd quote you word from word from what you said, really nailed the point in describing that place as a toxic hub that in turn brings the worst out of everyone that falls into it. Same can be said for similar places but I agree Twitter has always felt the most controverial. I tried to use it twice, both times reclutantly, and both times abandoning it after a short while. I'd also add that Twit's whole "rapid flux of constantly updating content" structure, along with similar socials built similar to it, have given creatives the negative concept of their art being seen as fickle temporary "content" that will get forgotten in a span of few minutes, regardless of the time spent working on it: even if a post somehow becomes popular it's still completely gone as soon as another one comes up. Visual art is meant to be savoured and contemplated and artists have all their right to take their time between an upload and another without the looming fear of being forgotten as soon as they're not active anymore. Bringing back a slower way to consume internet art would also contribute to a healthier enviroinment overall. On top of this, the volatility of it all: hopping on a site and staying for a while until one realizes it's obsolete or abandoned or a terrible place and having to restart all over again elsewhere. That's no way to curate a gallery, dangit
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Post by ratcha on Nov 14, 2024 11:17:12 GMT -5
This sounds exactly like my experience with twitter. I post art there and try to close this cursed site as soon as possible so that I don't get dragged into an endless mindless scrolling spree. I hope this forum doesn't die over time and this will be a place for a more slow and meaningful interaction with furries
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Post by creeps on Nov 14, 2024 11:24:36 GMT -5
You put stuff into words I really struggled to. I really want to emphasize your point of how addicting it is, it is engineered that way very much so on purpose! I believe TikTok figured it out in a golden way first and the other huge social medias followed (infinite refresh, short form videos, etc). It all gives little dopamine spikes that gets you hooked, it is the easiest and fastest way to get dopamine though it is a low amount. Consequently, this means you also put a lot less effort into doing things and putting effort to get dopamine which is what we used to have to do. Whether it be hunt for food, or nowadays, finish a drawing, clean your room, etc. When I was at my most depressed last year I was highly addicted to Twitter and got nothing done. I got no work done. I was horribly hooked.
It seems more people are waking up though. Looking forward to a possibly brighter future.
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Post by andy on Nov 14, 2024 11:57:04 GMT -5
Twitter has always been one of my least favorite socials that I have, yet I'd always end up stuck in a loop of closing it only to open it again. The past few months have definitely been more peaceful for me mentally when I slowly posted and scrolled less and less and just hung out on toyhouse and the forums there and it was such a different and more positive environment. I much prefer the connections forums give to communities than social media in general. It's been said a few times already but it's true: this puts words to what I've been feeling so well
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Post by chasep on Nov 14, 2024 12:50:47 GMT -5
From having a fixation on engagement numbers to post counts. The old days are back again! Sadly I will always be a slave to numbers no matter what platform I'm on. However the one thing I love about online forums is the lack of toxicity that bleeds into the fandom due to effects of soical media. Politics being a great example which you can normally moderate but can't on someone's Twitter post or even your own. Trying to stay free of drama is also hard to do when it always gets a boost thanks to the algorithm. And raids from other users who are not even furries who just want to bully those who are a part of this community.
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Post by wockmaw on Nov 14, 2024 13:02:28 GMT -5
I feel like Twitter served its purpose, it WAS good in my opinion before Gamergate, then the culture (as well as the entire internet) has changed for the worse. Combined with less and less people using forums (I think FAF shut down in 2022?) and stuff just was bleak for a while. Being here feels like a warm hug lowkey and I feel like I can actually effort post vs. 140-240 however many characters to get my point across.
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Post by luxa on Nov 14, 2024 13:35:35 GMT -5
Props to people who have left Twitter completely. I wish I could lol. I still log in occasionally since a lot of artists and friends I have still post there regularly. But for myself, I haven't used it 'regularly' for a few years and won't be using it like that again. Agree to disagree with people who say the old Twitter was better though It's been a dumpster fire since the 2010s. There's just wayy more fire now.
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Post by AsterFloofyDragon on Nov 14, 2024 14:53:14 GMT -5
I made the decision to just slowly wean myself off Twitter but I'm holding onto my accounts (both art and personal) both for the very few that are still there and to mitigate impersonation. I only re-installed Twitter on my phone just to keep up with hurricane updates but I've been guilty of procrastinating uninstalling the darn app and I probably should do that asap. At least on desktop I got extensions to get rid of the engagement farming "For You" page among other things.
Twitter was my first big social and while it wasn't the best, I was careful enough to stay within my circles and not seek out engagements and whatnot. But lately its been so bad, especially on the mobile app. Tho I'll admit out of the big social that I have used, I felt that instagram interactions felt the most artificial so I don't use much it except to keep up with people who exclusively post there. I'm also on FA and I was sad to find out that they used to have forums but they shut down (I last heard and understood it was because of the costs primarily). But at least FA is a decent place where I can follow artists and I can guarantee that I'll see what they post unlike back on Twitter where stuff can and does get missed.
I've since made Bluesky my main social and I like the interactions better. Its still not a perfect social media as its still missing some features but for now I think its the best Twitter alternative out there. Threads is big but the algorithm feed is terrible, Mastodon is way too confusing, especially for someone new.
But I will say, I hope this place kicks off. Not necessarily expecting for rampant daily activity like with the big socials. Cause the point of this place is to be more slow and relaxed and I feel like I need this sort of deal.
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Post by kez on Nov 14, 2024 15:05:03 GMT -5
I love the input from everyone in this thread - I think from both a community and creative perspective, social media has inherently created a reward system for those who work hard to play the algorithms and commit to the "game" of it all, so to speak, which for some of us (probably a lot of us, honestly) leads to losing touch with why we make the art in the first place.
I know that for myself as a musician, I struggle to justify spamming the same links to my stuff on a regular basis because it doesn't feel like that's a sincere way of trying to engage listeners - it just feels like I'm working the social media grind and at the end of the day, I'd rather just have something that I can throw a few links on and not have to overthink "strategy" or "marketing". All intrinsic parts of being on the path of a working artist, for sure, but I constantly think there has to be better ways to go about it that doesn't leave us feeling like we're bombarding folks with the same things.
Anyway thank you for letting me share my two cents on this too - forums are, in my opinion, the prime of internet culture and I think a lot healthier of a space to share creatively and build community, so this rules!
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Post by roo on Nov 14, 2024 17:57:10 GMT -5
left twitter a few years back and miss literally nothing about it
twitter was the harbinger of a new kind of furry i'm less fond of. i am not saying it was perfect before twitter (it was not, it seriously was not) but the attention economy that's brought on by social media like twitter/instagram/tiktok is not great. not a furry-exclusive problem, either.
something about the absolute onslaught of inauthentic "content" just feels antithetical to furry and different from a long time ago. the amount of pure engagement bait, remember-to-hydrate, saying nothing just to be heard saying something content has absolutely exploded over the past couple decades.
it's super cool that my furry world is broader than it's ever been and i have so many more people to hear from and see, art is more accessible than ever, but it comes in this wild flood of just absolute nonsense and people whose platforms get super big because they got an adorable suit or something and now just cannot stop talking.
bluesky right now is actually kind of chill, i think largely because the way discovery works doesn't really advantage engagement bait. i see lots of cool art, hear lots of cool music, and read interesting and funny things. it's pleasant. it's not a cultural norm to dunk on the garbage things that people say and then subject everyone else to that garbage in the process. all that stuff is really cool.
the vibes are good for now.
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Post by kronogarrett on Nov 15, 2024 13:10:26 GMT -5
It's a bit demoralizing to feel like you're competing against thousands of other artists in terms of productivity with the constant, high-speed torrent of postings. Or that your own stuff is glanced at and discarded. The signal to noise ratio is atrocious, and let's not get into the toxic behavior, generative sludge, weird rightoid furries, etc... As nice as it was to have some chance of a lot of people seeing your work who wouldn't have stumbled across it otherwise, one can't exist in a howling void full of angry blue birds that are on fire.
My departure from Twitter was last spring and I really should have left even earlier.
Engagement is just numbers, it feels harder and harder to make a connection with anyone in the endless parade of people these days. Maybe being here will be more pleasant.
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Post by wolp on Nov 15, 2024 13:27:10 GMT -5
i also left twitter a few years back. it was before musk took over and it was already going to shit. the place was taking a horrible toll on my mental health, y'know? every chance i get i encourage my friends to ditch it, i just don't see what's worth staying for anymore.
it isn't fun when every possible platform is riddled with bots, ads, ragebait or other engagement bait. i've had to adopt a 'slight annoyance = blocked' mentality just to keep sites usable. i don't like that it has to be that way but major social media just feels so... nothing. no human connection, just number go up. no understanding, just 'i want to win this argument with witty quips and one-liners'. not to mention the absolute state of callout culture around things that should have been settled in private (and sometimes, things that don't even matter).
i'm not saying anything new here at all, but it's still nice to get it out. i'm just so frustrated with the current state of things, because i love meeting people and making friends in all sorts of communities. it just feels borderline impossible to find anyone unless you're willing to thow away any dignity and start picking fights and gaining infamy instead.
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Post by roo on Nov 15, 2024 13:37:05 GMT -5
i'm just so frustrated with the current state of things, because i love meeting people and making friends in all sorts of communities. it just feels borderline impossible to find anyone unless you're willing to thow away any dignity and start picking fights and gaining infamy instead. i have been writing a lot of nonsense to myself and in various threads and stuff about how in this current mess, i really, really miss the old internet. like... a lot. most social networks aren't set up to meet a small handful of people you might get along with, which is actually a manageable amount. you can't possibly get to know everyone in your twitter feed meaningly, and some people just use it for broadcast and aren't really interested in getting to know any of their followers (that's totally fine!) it was fun for a while but it feels increasingly unrewarding to just have little meaningless interactions with people you don't know all the time. i haven't made many new friends on social media/online in years, honestly. it's basically all been through friends of friends in real life.
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