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Post by Kachayet on Nov 17, 2024 5:00:03 GMT -5
Hello everyone!
I'm currently due 6 watercolor drawings for a class at my art school, however, I'm basically very fresh-new at watercolor! Of course, these assignments are not gonna me graded individually, that is not the focus of the class, the teacher just wants us to experiment with new techniques.
So, I wanted to have a thread to post my drawings and get some feedback. You don't need to be an expert to give your tip or opinion... I don't want to master watercolor, I just want to know the good from the bad from another perspective so I have a path that'll be hopefully less frustrating than doing whatever.
Alas, I have to do 2 drawings for each of 3 themes: Maritime, Objects, and Group of People. They need to be done using primary colors but I can mix them (I don't know how to mix stuff well though). All in A3 300gms Paper (though I only have 3 of those).
Also, if you have or know any cool photos so I could reference please share!!!
Gallery of what I've done so far:
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Post by Kachayet on Nov 17, 2024 5:11:42 GMT -5
Here's my first drawing:
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- I did this in about 3:30 Hours and I'm very impatient, should stop being in a hurry?
- How are you supposed to do details when the water sploshes everywhere?
- How to do white in a way it actually looks white and not unfinished?
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Post by Kit Collie on Nov 17, 2024 6:26:42 GMT -5
I can give more detailed answers later, but for now to cover the questions you asked:
I did this in about 3:30 Hours and I'm very impatient, should stop being in a hurry?
Watercolour does work best if you're patient with it & let layers dry. However: I keep a hair dryer with me whenever I'm working on watercolours at home, to speed up the process!
How are you supposed to do details when the water sploshes everywhere?
If you're not allowed to do mixed media (such as pencils for fine lines), my recommendation would be to let layers dry & then apply details using the wet-on-dry technique to minimise the water's spread!
With practice you can also develop a feel for how much water you need on the brush (less water means finer details, it won't spread as chaotically)
How to do white in a way it actually looks white and not unfinished?
Take a look at your reference photo, see how the white sections aren't pure white?
Save the white surface of the paper for your strongest highlights, and the rest will be thinner washes of desaturated colours!
I hope some of that helps!
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Post by ska on Nov 17, 2024 8:45:34 GMT -5
When I do watercolors, I usually work on something else at the same time, that way it has proper time to dry before moving on to the next layer. If what you want to add doesnt need to blended with the previous layer/colors it should be dry before you continue. I second everything Kit Collie collie said!
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Post by creeps on Nov 17, 2024 13:00:49 GMT -5
Hey there! My critique is to get more bold/use more paint and dont be afraid to get dark and more contrasty. Watercolor is less opaque than other mediums, but you can still get some boldness in it. I think this is more important than technique because no matter what techniques you employ, if the values are not there then they are’nt. Correct values will pretty much always come first.
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Post by Kit Collie on Nov 17, 2024 18:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by Kachayet on Nov 18, 2024 5:37:41 GMT -5
I went out last night and didn't expect to have so much feedback sorry for not replying!! But I read everything and tried applying them while I was shitfaced... I only now realize how bad of an idea that was but I will say that doing your tips made it all wayyy less frustrating even when I was sober!!
My critique is to get more bold/use more paint and dont be afraid to get dark and more contrasty. I think these tips were the ones that made watercolor much more fun to me, I was overthinking my brushstrokes so much. I'm still very afraid of mixing colors and I'm not entirely sure how layering works still (is that were drying plays it's biggest role or is it always gonna be mixing?) though so my drawing might have not seen much improvement besides my personal enjoyment.
Also, yeah I can only use watercolor (and pencils for sketching) I can't use gauche as much as I wish to and how nice it looked to use white and a more opaque technique. I have a total of almost 50 assignments for this class, mixed media are other assignmentsWhen I do watercolors, I usually work on something else at the same time My brain is not built to do 2 arts at once but I did try putting on a stream on instead of music and it helped me get 10x less stressed
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Post by Kachayet on Nov 18, 2024 5:45:36 GMT -5
Second drawing:
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Notes: - I really feel like what's setting me back now is not my enjoyment but just my shyness with really messing with colors
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Post by Kit Collie on Nov 18, 2024 18:47:37 GMT -5
Drying absolutely plays the biggest role in building up colours! Colours don't evenly mix together if they're still wet on the canvas, so mixing colours while wet is different to working with acrylics and such. I like to put down a less saturated base layer as a kind of colour / value map, and then I'll build layers on top of it. Don't be afraid to come back after a layer has dried and add on top of it, that's a standard part of my watercolour process and is how I build up depth ^_^ In case it helps, here's a few pieces of my process: - I mix most of my colours on a palette, since colours don't typically mix well on the paper (the chaos that is watercolour means they'll try to invade each other's territory while wet, rather than distributing evenly)
- Since watercolour is a transparent medium, layering colours on top of each other (letting each layer dry first) will blend the colours somewhat!
- You can get some really cool colour variation by putting down a wet base layer of one colour, and then dabbing in some accents or variations & letting the pigments interact with each other as they dry
That's the most important thing! Don't worry about doing a top notch job when you're new to the medium, just have fun with it and experiment ^_^ Some quick feedback on this one: you've done an awesome job with it so far! I'll offer one suggestion if you want to work on it more (if not, just think about this as you move forward): if you start adding more saturated colours to your focal point, you'll widen your value range and the piece should pop a lot more! Then you can decide if that's enough, or if the rest of the piece needs more colour.
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Post by Kit Collie on Nov 18, 2024 18:52:51 GMT -5
Here's an example of what colours do when they're still wet & they impose on each other (look at the top row, where the red & blue swatches meet) And an example of the kind of depth you can achieve by adding layers together:
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Post by Kachayet on Nov 20, 2024 8:56:50 GMT -5
Third drawing:
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Notes: I mix most of my colours on a palette, since colours don't typically mix well on the paper - I have no idea why but this time I've been thinking that I should mix the colors on paper and now more paper
- It's so much easier to do proper color variations now!!
I'm still trying to figure out how to do saturated colors with my material though, I feel like I cheated and just did a blackish mixture to saturate things
- I did procrastinate doing this one because now I have to go out and buy more paper for these assignments +30 others
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Post by Kit Collie on Nov 20, 2024 19:37:57 GMT -5
- I'm still trying to figure out how to do saturated colors with my material though, I feel like I cheated and just did a blackish mixture to saturate things
- I did procrastinate doing this one because now I have to go out and buy more paper for these assignments +30 others
Colour saturation depends largely on the quality of your watercolours. If you're using a cheaper set then I'd recommend minimizing the amount of water you mix with, which should help up the saturation on them! (but there's an upper limit since they don't tend to have as much pigment)
The other trick is to add more and more layers of the same colour, that'll build up the pigment with each layer, but it takes a lot more time.
If you can afford 'em, I'd highly recommend going for a few small tubes of professional-grade watercolours in the primary colours (I use Daniel Smith, though if W&N's Cotman student range is all that's available, they'll still treat you well). The amount of saturation you get when you start using higher quality watercolours will probably be a light bulb moment - it was for me
And if you can afford it & haven't already tried this, I'd highly recommend getting 100% cotton paper for your next batch! It makes a humongous difference compared to the cheaper cellulose stuff (water pools on top of cellulose and gets lifted easily, whereas it gets quickly absorbed into cotton)
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Post by Kachayet on Nov 21, 2024 2:52:48 GMT -5
Colour saturation depends largely on the quality of your watercolours. If you're using a cheaper set then I'd recommend minimizing the amount of water you mix with, which should help up the saturation on them! After that one video you sent I was really, really sold on watercolors tubes but unfortunately watercolor tubes are too expensive where I live (by what I saw) since they need to be imported from the first-world. But I do have a friend that lives in a big city that might be able to get me some for a reasonable price? I really need to upgrade my stuff I'm gonna take watercolor-only classes next year, but if it is too pricey or takes too long I will have to finish this with my cheaper kohl-I-Noor dry kit adjusting saturations with water then.
I'm hoping that the art supply store nearby will at least have cotton paper since that's since it genuinely feels like I'm fighting the paper during 30% of my drawing
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Post by Kit Collie on Nov 21, 2024 5:56:41 GMT -5
I took a quick look at the koh-i-noor discs and they do seem like the kind that's padded out with chalk. In addition to mixing with less water, one thing you could potentially try for better saturation is scraping off some of the paint to more easily dissolve a larger quantity!
Anyhow, some big tubes of the primary colours will take you a long way for sure, I hope you're able to find & afford some! I went the half-pan route and got a premixed palette to start me off, but that's definitely a more expensive way to begin.
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